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Post by gfxman on Feb 16, 2008 19:26:08 GMT -5
Do you think it was a good idea to go to war or do you think it was a foolish decision by George W. Bush? Debate.
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Post by Tra_XxX on Feb 16, 2008 19:56:40 GMT -5
I'm not that well informed on the War on Terror but I do have some thoughts. Were we justified in going to war with Iraq? Is it our business to disturb the political situation of another country on the basis of moral grounds? Was the war on Iraq purely motivated by morality?
Okay, I'll begin with my second question, which is a little erratic, I concede. My friend and I were discussing the War on Terror in relation to morality. I do not know the exact reasons for going to war with Iraq, though I believe it was officially because there was a purported threat of weapons of mass destruction being unleashed from Iraq. If this was a valid concern then I believe that we are justified to an extent in invading Iraq as we are reducing the risk of our lifestyles being disrupted by doing so. Yes, we disrupted the lives of the Iraqis but I firmly believe that when given the choice between maintaining your own person or maintaining another person and in each circumstance the opposite person to whom you chose is disrupted, then you must choose your own person. We are, you see, certain to a degree of direction but we are not certain of theirs. Or are we? Do we truly know the direction in which we are going as a society and are we truly working towards it? I shall not debate this further as of yet.
Now, if we were to suggest that we went to war with Iraq because of their leader, Saddam Hussein, then I take quite a different stance on going to war. I believe the first Gulf War was simply aimed at liberating Saddam from his supposed tyranny, but I am not completely sure of this and I apologise for that. Is it truly our position to interfere with another country's government if it has no direct bearing on our own. Who's right is it to change another's lifestyle simply because it doesn't conform with your own personally held values? If Hitler had remained within Germany and not expanded outwards into the neutral territories and Poland then would we have waged a war upon him? The answer is unlikely to be in the affirmative and we can suggest this for a variety of reasons: waging war on a first world country of Germany's size would not be an easy and cost effective task. If our countries aren't being affected by another country, who's government were elected in democratically btw, then we would be unlikely to take action against it, even if there is something morally unsettling about its social stance. Morality is unlikely to be a solely responsible factor for going to war, and so were there other motivations for the war not made apparent to the public? Could some of the motivation had had anything to do with their vast oil reserves, even if it was the entire motivation? Now, I don't strongly agree with democracy but if we are to live by it in society then should our elected governments not be compelled to inform us of their full motivations in regard to the war? Yes, of course, but this would be unlikely to happen in reality and I truly do understand why. Irrespective of this, morality is subjective and therefore is by definition, then, no objective reason for going for war.
In conclusion, I have never truly been pro-war on Iraq. I believe it has brought an exposition of the true colours of our current governments and it sickens me slightly. War is an essential part of human society as it truly can bring humanity forward, but despite this the war on Iraq has been inconsequential in even achieving this.
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Post by gfxman on Feb 17, 2008 12:10:53 GMT -5
I agree. The world need to come to peace especially the U.S. The world should not be messing with other countries governments. That's there own problem. I can understand the whole weapons of mass destruction. But also the 3,000 people that were killed in the U.S. from 9/11. That was one of the reasons we went over there. To stop Sadun Hu Sain (sorry for the misspell) from killing anymore U.S. Civilians. We have to stop the war in terror or we are threatening the entire world for no peace. Just all out Hell Wars. We can not keep letting the U.S. and it's allies fight for completely nothing and then die. I've just had two of my cousins die in Iraq. And I have another in the Navy. We need to stop war and begin peace.
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Post by Janus on Feb 19, 2008 13:53:42 GMT -5
I don't even know what to believe anymore, to be honest. I do know one thing and that is that the war on Iraq was just a waste of time and resources. Bush is the worst president of all time... I hate him so much..
On topic, I think the war on Iraq was morally wrong. We had no business there whatsoever, they did not commit 9/11. These weapons of mass destruction Bush was talking about was a load of BS, there were none and when he got confronted on it he said that he never said there were any.
I think it only makes our country look bad to the rest of the world when we're inciting wars with other countries. If you've watched any of the documentaries then you know the so called "Rebuilding of Iraq" is nothing more than a scheme for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer.
What we need to do right now is pull out and let the people decide what they want to do with their country. We've messed it up enough as it is, plus we should be spending that money on our own problems here back home.
I don't see how anyone can say this way is just. You'd have to either be retarded or bribed to say something like that. I'm sorry for sounding so mad but this war really gets on my nerves... so does Bush... -.-
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Post by gfxman on Feb 19, 2008 13:56:43 GMT -5
Well, see that's the problem. We can't just pull out. If we pull out we are going to invite Iranians to come over to our country and start suicide bombings and crap.
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Post by Janus on Feb 19, 2008 13:57:51 GMT -5
What makes you think that will happen?
That's an interesting thing to say, I'd like to know your reasons.
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Post by Tra_XxX on Feb 19, 2008 13:59:57 GMT -5
In hindsight I think most people would say it was a wrong move, but at the time 9/11 had recently happened and our governments were suggesting that they really did have weapons of mass destruction that could reach our countries in 45 minutes and cause major damage. This and the apparent immorality of the governing body of Iraq at the time seemed to be a justifiable cause to go to war, for our own sakes as well as the common people of Iraq. Now, of course, Iraq appears to be in a much more turbulent state that it was before and the claims of the weapons of mass destruction turned out to be fallacious.
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Post by gfxman on Feb 19, 2008 14:04:01 GMT -5
Well if you think deeply, if we get out of there the Iranians are taking that as an invite to come to neighboring countries. And after 9/11 there's no need to see something like that again. And now that we're there we mind as well finish what we started. We might be able to get out idk. It depends. But, their economy is holding us down with money-meaning we're spending a whole lot of money on the war when we need money to support our economy and help out Africa with their starvation problem. SO the more money we spend on the war the more our economy goes down the toilet. We are just going to end up a corrupted country. So I do have reasons for both staying and coming home.
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